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Thomas Hanbury, speculative

Thomas Hanbury, speculative

Male Abt 1745 - 1819  (~ 74 years)

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  • Name Thomas Hanbury 
    Suffix speculative 
    Born Abt 1745  Monmouthshire ? Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • Date from age at burial. No birth record has been found.
    Gender Male 
    Died 20 Apr 1819  Wolvesnewton, Monmouthshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Person ID I1269  drabold
    Last Modified 20 Feb 2017 

    Father Thomas Hanbury, Commander, Royal Navy,   b. 04 Nov 1722, Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 13 Dec 1778, Ile de Re, France (off the coast by La Rochelle) Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 56 years) 
    Relationship Birth 
    Married
    • married with small children in 1748. From London Post.
    Family ID F2281  Group Sheet

    Family Mary Hetherton,   b. Abt 1750, United Kingdom Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Bef 1813, Wolvesnewton, Monmouthshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 62 years) 
    Married 09 Nov 1772  St Tysol, Llansoy, Monmouthshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • Wedding.Both otp.
    Children 
     1. Richard Hanbury,   b. 1774, Llansoy, Monmouthshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 24 Jul 1842, Glascoed (as Hambury on BMD) Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 68 years)
     2. Mary Hanbury,   b. 26 Jan 1777, Wolvesnewton, Monmouthshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 10 Jan 1857, Newland, Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 79 years)
     3. Clement Hanbury,   b. 28 Nov 1779, Wolvesnewton, Monmouthshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Jan 1858, Llanishangel Tor-y-Mynnyd, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 78 years)
     4. Thomas Hanbury,   b. 29 Dec 1782, Wolvesnewton, Monmouthshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 27 Jun 1849, Wolvesnewton, Monmouthshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 66 years)
     5. Elizabeth Hanbury,   b. 29 Jan 1786, Wolvesnewton, Monmouthshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location
     6. Anne Hanbury,   b. 25 Nov 1792, Wolvesnewton, Monmouthshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location
    Last Modified 19 Jun 2015 
    Family ID F453  Group Sheet

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsDied - 20 Apr 1819 - Wolvesnewton, Monmouthshire, Wales Link to Google Earth
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  • Photos
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    Church of St Thomas a Becket
    Church of St Thomas a Becket
    Courtesy of Jonathan Nillinger

    NLW citation referencing the involvement of Thomas Hanbury in 1774 in Monmouth Co elections. Which Thomas? Odds are, ours, conceivably the Captain.

    Kindly provided by Maureen Judge
    Arch Cambrensis IX 3rd Series 1863 London
    Arch Cambrensis IX 3rd Series 1863 London

    Documents
    Letters of William Robin Thompson, FRS
    Letters of William Robin Thompson, FRS
    Genealogical letters of well known Canadian entomologist in the 30's investigating Hanbury. Courtesy of Mr Sam McBride.

  • Notes 
    • The ancestry of this Thomas Hanbury is the most interesting problem of my entire tree.

      There is a persistent tradition in the family that Thomas was of the Pontypool Hanbury family. There are no contemporary documents to show this. There are three claims:
      1. William Robin Thompson FRS, a descendant recalls such a link in letters in the 1930s now held by Samuel McBride.
      2. Maureen Just recalls queries about money/inheritance as late as the 1960s and a tradition that a young son of the Pontypool family "ran off with a maid and was disowned".
      3. Another branch (mine) recalls distinctly but with no details that we are related to Acuffs. This is a rare name and most improbably, is an American version of Ayscough, the maiden name of Bridget, wife of John Hanbury, Esq. of Pontypool.

      Point 3 is the most interesting to me, as the tradition made no claims of aristocratic descent, it was just a stray completely incomprehensible family tradition, until I realized that it might just explain the Pontypool link.

      The only reasonable conjecture for a Pontypool link is through Commander Thomas Hanbury, RN. See his page for much more. For this to make sense, it must be candidly noted that "something went wrong", since it appears that this "our" Thomas was illiterate, which seems unlikely for the son of a naval officer. However, "the captain" had many serious problems in his life and was alienated from his family, notably his famous and successful brothers Capel and George who wrote many letters, surviving, that discuss the vicissitudes of their little brother Capt Thomas Hanbury. It is also entirely possible that Thomas is a bastard, which might explain his relative poverty and illiteracy.

      Much further out on a limb, I should add that the RN officer was left land by his father at Rodmore, Gloucs, close by Lydney and St Briavels where various descendants including Georges (our lot) seemed peculiarly attracted, perhaps ultimately from a modest legacy from Thomas Hanbury of the RN?

      Net statement: this is an interesting guess stored by family lore and some coincidences, it may turn out to be incorrect however and should be understood only to be the current best guess.